Lots to think about there. And I just saw this in Charles Eisenstein’s latest which made me think about what the connection might be between slack and wuwei: ‘One of the things that's so non dual and paradoxical about Taoism is “wuwei,” which technically means unforced action for anyone who's listening to this. The whole idea of action, to me, is so hard to disambiguate from force. It feels I have to bring my will in order to do something.’
I like what you both are seeing here too, about slack and tamanous. It takes time out of the schedule to go on a vision quest. A person looking for themselves needs some slack for reflection.
::smacks forehead:: That's what I meant to bring in and totally forgot - the Tao and wuwei! Zhuangzi is a total slacker.
That also suggests a (partial) way of reconciling the challenges in my previous comment: while slack may be the lack of constraint on what you want, one way to both get more slack and to be more likely to be getting it the "right" way, is to make sure that what you want is as in line with the Tao as possible.
Perhaps that is the greatest service of the Church of the Subgenius - their off-color emphasis on flaunting convention, gratifying bodily needs, and so forth (tactics which Zhuangzi also uses, btw), serve to point out that much of what we feel compelled by in life is artificial in some sense. Going with the flow of the Truth, on the other hand, is no constraint.
Hmm, interesting. Certainly, in monotheistic faiths, "the Truth" or "the Way" would be synonymous with, or at least very, very close to synonymous with the one and only God. From a polytheistic standpoint, I wonder if different Gods represent different ways of being "in tune" with the Truth/Way/Tao/etc, and while seeking union would be one way to pursue that, other practices might get you there different ways.
Hmm, so I finally had a chance to read the full Eisenstein pice, and it was quite interesting. Overall, I think he has a very important point, that "real" culture and ritual isn't consciously adopted/invented, it just feels like how things are. On the other hand, I think he might be giving short shrift to the process of internalizing a ritual, perhaps for rhetorical effect. For example, I say a short prayer whenever I put on my Thunor's Hammer necklace - these days, that just feels like part of the putting-on process, it's fairly "automatic." Somehow, though, blessing my food before I eat it, despite growing up with that habit, is less automatic, but when I do it, it feels pretty natural. Other prayers are less well-established, and have flashes of feeling true and authentic, and long stretches of feeling like going through the motions. So, I think that's a normal and natural part of an individual adopting ritual, and it wouldn't surprise me if something like that plays out at the large scale of groups of folks trying to work out "culture."
As for what this has to do with slack? Hmmm. Well, disciplined practice is one non-intuitive way to get to slack. When you become very good at something, and it becomes automatic, then all of a sudden you have more slack around doing it than when you had to concentrate as hard as you could to do it. So, departing wildly from what the Church of the Subgenius might say, if the rituals of the culture around you are accpeted and made a routine part of your life, maybe they save you the work of figuring a lot of stuff out for yourself, and thus can grant you slack.
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Date: 2023-09-26 07:03 pm (UTC)‘One of the things that's so non dual and paradoxical about Taoism is “wuwei,” which technically means unforced action for anyone who's listening to this. The whole idea of action, to me, is so hard to disambiguate from force. It feels I have to bring my will in order to do something.’
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Date: 2023-09-26 07:13 pm (UTC)https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/on-creating-culture
I like what you both are seeing here too, about slack and tamanous. It takes time out of the schedule to go on a vision quest. A person looking for themselves needs some slack for reflection.
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Date: 2023-09-26 07:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2023-09-26 07:27 pm (UTC)That also suggests a (partial) way of reconciling the challenges in my previous comment: while slack may be the lack of constraint on what you want, one way to both get more slack and to be more likely to be getting it the "right" way, is to make sure that what you want is as in line with the Tao as possible.
Perhaps that is the greatest service of the Church of the Subgenius - their off-color emphasis on flaunting convention, gratifying bodily needs, and so forth (tactics which Zhuangzi also uses, btw), serve to point out that much of what we feel compelled by in life is artificial in some sense. Going with the flow of the Truth, on the other hand, is no constraint.
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Date: 2023-09-26 07:37 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2023-09-29 02:38 pm (UTC)As for what this has to do with slack? Hmmm. Well, disciplined practice is one non-intuitive way to get to slack. When you become very good at something, and it becomes automatic, then all of a sudden you have more slack around doing it than when you had to concentrate as hard as you could to do it. So, departing wildly from what the Church of the Subgenius might say, if the rituals of the culture around you are accpeted and made a routine part of your life, maybe they save you the work of figuring a lot of stuff out for yourself, and thus can grant you slack.