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A1) I know about Scott Shell already! (Thanks to you.)

A2) "make this compatible with the modern scientific worldview" - Even then, did they need to largely dump mythology and choose to take nothing seriously?

Well, I'm someone with an LHP (for certain values) interest and no credibility whatsoever! Sure, Flowers has been pretty good at compartimentalizing, but I think one can see the links, and I think they do fit.

"mainstream" - Kek!

"Centrism" - But IMO more importantly "make sure you actually can manage yourself before you try to manage any other people".

"very little idea what good political solutions look like" - These days I tend to "there are no good political solutions, what we need is to make better people".

"Sorting all of that out is likely going to take rather a few blog posts that I'm not sure I feel either prepared nor secure enough to attempt just yet." - I'll wait patiently!

B1) About whether the jötnar, Vanir, or both are mainly telluric, one could think (among other things):
B1.1) if you interpret the trifunctional hypothesis in this case as meaning the Vanir were the deities of "most people", they'd be actually in the middle (in Daoist terms, Person instead of Heaven or Earth);
B1.2) historically, there's a hypothesis that fairly early Indo-Europeans absorbed an agricultural people in the Danube Delta, early enough that it affected the later branches we know about in general - perhaps both the Vanir and jötnar being in the mythology reflects 2 different fusions (1 Germanic-specific)?
B1.3) if I'm wrong you'll know - how many Vanir who are nothing else do know about? Every Van I remember is a Van by origin who becomes treated as Ás, or, arguably, one of the Aesir by origin who becomes the reverse (treated as Van) - sorry I'm about to make a very dumb question, but does the mythology actually contain, if I may, Vanir-as-such?

"my meditation plate has been too full to explore very deeply." - in part Dolmen Arch, do I remember right?

I definitely need to read Hilda Davidson. Might muster the will to read Maria Kvilhaug someday - I admit how she dedicated a book to her husband was great.

B2) "The One-Eyed God (I know, I bring this one up a lot)." - And you'll be right until we read it!

Thanks for the JBP reference.

"I've been worrying that I've been giving tl;dr responses likely to alienate you and anyone else who stumbles on them." - I won't try to speak for a single other person, but I too have a Moldbug habit.

"The parts of the material world that draw you to worldly wealth and power are Bad Masculine, the parts that draw you to worldly pleasures are Bad Feminine" IMO: compatible with Greek philosophy, but not Indo-European religions closer to the original. What do you think?

"the Devil is Bad Individual. Basically, the Devil looks at the Feminine and Masculine, sees only the bad, rejects the Good, and says "F*** it, I'll do it myself"." - Huh, very interesting. I might be biased due to thinking it describes me ...

"very tendency to fall in love with your own creations and elevate them above Being" - Similarly to your comment below: I don't think this describes his own Bad Feminine (arguably not even the Bad Masculine, just the Bad Individual, who apparently tries to be a rejecter of the other 2 Bads).

"it's an especially Faustian conception of evil" - Just to make sure: you mean this evil has Faustian characteristics, not at all that it's what a Faustian would consider evil, right?

"I think that the view complements Peterson's analysis of the Devil." - Do you mean in the sense of Loki being someone who wanted to make a better order?

"a suspicion I have" - I do as well.

"Well, for one, the Highest God is bros with this evil! They have a lot in common." - Undoubtedly they have much in common, but "are" they still bros? If those myths should be understood as representing cycles, maybe they should be seen as sometimes bros and sometimes not?

"steals stuff to deprive the world of it (Luciferian!)" - Is Satan actually like that? Leaving aside a possible interpretation in which he's faithful to Yahweh, if the serpent was Satan, didn't it/he want to make stuff available? (You read "The Tower", so you know what I mean.)

"Oh man, dumb dreamwidth noob moment here." - Kek!